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Topic: New PCSOT Standards
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Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 12:45 PM
  
I have already completed a 40 hour course on PCSOT testing - took the required test in 2003. I have meet all required continuing education since that date. Are the new standards/guidelines now stating I need to attend another 40 hour course and test again to be operating under APA standards for PCSOT testing? Thanks. IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 02:23 PM
There are no new standards or guidelines.The APA has created a PCSOT to come up with a model policy for its members. The committee's recommendation has not been presented to the BOD for a vote. The committee expected to have a model developed for the January BOD's meeting (which was this past weekend). They are still working, so nothing has changed. Keep in mind that whatever the APA adopts will be non-binding. You can get training to make sure you are acting in a manner consistent with the model policy, but you won't have to do that. You should be able to read the policy and adjust your practices as necessary, if necessary. (The model policy for pre-employment screening exams was updated.) ASTM does have standards in place, and I expect most follow those standards. Is that not the case? IP: Logged |
Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 03:25 PM
BarryThanks so much for your response. Mr. Holden recently (Nov 2008)did a training on the new suggested guideline/standards in Arkansas. I was just not sure if I had to attend another course in order to take a test that I was told about.
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blalock
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posted 01-21-2009 04:02 PM
Mr. Holden presented on new PCSOT guidelines? Where can I get a copy of them? I just checked the APA site, but I don't see any new PCSOT guidelines there. Barry, did you say that new guidelines have not yet been voted in by the board? I'm confused...------------------
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Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 04:24 PM
There are no new "guidelines," so don't be confused.Rick probably presented on what his committee had put together at the time. (The committee's general chair is Pam Shaw, and Rick is the committee chair.) The committee will report its suggestions to the BOD, and the BOD will vote on any changes, amendments, whatever, to the current PCSOT model policy, but I suspect the new model policy will be much more comprehensive than the current model policy. IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 04:26 PM
Kim,I forgot to ask, what "test" do you mean? There is an APA test that a person must pass to receive a certificate of completion for the PCSOT advanced training, but you should have taken that at the end of the 40-hour course you already said you completed. IP: Logged |
Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 04:27 PM
Maybe I need to clarify.He was our speaker for the Arkansas Polygraph Association. His training was over the new suggested model policy for PCSOT. He made it clear that the policy had not been voted on at the time - but spoke on what was being suggested at the time. IP: Logged |
blalock
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posted 01-21-2009 04:38 PM
Kim,Thanks for clarification. What new things did he share? ------------------
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Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 05:04 PM
BarryI did take the test - but was told there would be a "new" test to take pertaining to the new PCSOT model policy changes. I am truly sorry if I am causing any confusion - it seems I may be a little ahead of things and should just wait and see if the suggested model policy is approved. IP: Logged |
Taylor
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posted 01-21-2009 05:14 PM
I have the power point from Holdens presentation in Utah. He did state at our seminar that we would have to be recertified. However, I have spoken to another PCSOT board member who emailed me the following: There are no plans, nor has there been any discussion in the committee about having everyone currently PCSOT certified, be required to take an updated course. Whatever needs to be done to bring the membership up to speed will be done at APA sponsored trainings in the next couple of years. We have spent more time establishing qualifications for those who think they can (or want) to teach the 40 hour course.
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Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 05:15 PM
blalockThere are numerous changes being suggested. I would not know where to begin and would be afraid I would cause further confusion by doing so. Did you get the e-mail from this site - showing where Mr. Holden will be conducting trainings in Dallas (in March) on this?
The e-mail is what prompted all my questions. IP: Logged |
Kim
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posted 01-21-2009 05:16 PM
Taylor
Thank you - you have answered my question.
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Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 05:22 PM
Kim, I wish you were the only one confused, but you're not, so it's good that you asked. I know of no new test anybody will have to take. In fact, I'd be opposed to a new test (alone) based on a model policy. I think it will be wise for the current APA test to be modified to reflect the new model(whatever it will be), after all, it's supposed to reflect best practices. But, that only makes sense. If they are best practices, then the 40-our course should be modeled around them, and the test should be modeled around the course. I can't imagine the model is going to be something so new and unknown that people will need to be retrained. It's simply a best practices statement, and our PCSOT practitioners should be able to say, "Yes, that's what I'm doing," or "Okay, I should modify what I do in this particular area so that I'm consistent with what is best." The LE pre-employment model policy was updated, and people should do the same with that one. Watch for it soon. IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 05:44 PM
Okay, I see now we were all on at once. Yes, there is a plan to get people up to speed at the seminar - and also to maintain their CE hours. I should have mentioned that before.Thanks Donna. IP: Logged |
detector
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posted 01-21-2009 09:09 PM
Hey Everybody,Sorry for all the confusion. The email I sent out was based on the info from the actual pdf flyer. Turns out, that was a mistake from the start and that Denise Crandall made the mistake putting the flyer together. Anyway, she emailed me the next day and they are sending a revised flyer that I will re-send out and clear up the confusion. Bottom line. These are new 'recommended' standards and guidelines, but not yet finalized and not yet 'required'.
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Barry C
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posted 01-21-2009 09:39 PM
Well, technically, they're not even recommended yet. The PCSOT committee pulled the document before it was considered because they didn't want to recommend them at the time (and do some more work). It's important to note that they are not "standards" either. Violation of a "standard" is grounds for some type of grievance / complaint (for APA members). You can violate the model policy all day long and you'll be out of the reach of the APA. It is the consumer and user who will have to demand examiners utilize best practices. Nobody mentioned a flyer. I thought we were talking about a presentation someplace? Now I'm confused. In regard to "certification," I recently asked if the APA "certified" anybody, because I didn't know we did. It turns out that we don't. There are a few people, however, that did get "certified" several years ago (1998 and 1999) in two, three-day courses. For liability reasons, the APA stopped "certifying" anybody. That's why you have "certificates of completion" and not "certifications." IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-23-2009 04:23 PM
Okay Ralph, I just got forwarded a message you sent out. (Why don't I get them?)
http://polygraphplace.com/articles/images/BMI_training_2009.pdf Anyhow, this is starting to make sense to me now. The ad is (still) wrong. The PCSOT hasn't recommended anything to the BOD. The BOD saw a model policy they were going to recommend, but the committee asked that we not consider it, so we didn't. People should know that it's possible (how probable, I don't know) the BOD will never adopt the committee's recommendations. I expect the BOD will, eventually, but it hasn't happened yet. This reads as if certain things have happened that haven't, e.g., "newly defined tests" and "newly revised standards." I'm not even sure if there are plans for those things any time soon. Those things makes sense, but we don't even have a new model policy yet (and we won't the day the class starts). IP: Logged |
detector
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posted 01-23-2009 04:47 PM
Okay,well now is the point where I say...talk to BMI. I'm not writing their ads, I'm simply distributing for them, so I'm willing to take some responsibility and I do attempt to be accurate, but if it is still off, then that will have to be between those who don't like the ad and BMI. I'm not personally endorsing the advertisement. It is just an advertisement. ------------------
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Taylor
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posted 01-23-2009 04:50 PM
I just received an email that stated the Board decided to "table" the matter without review and not visit it again until their next meeting in March. My info states some people, both from within the Board and without who are odds with sections of the policy or the way it is has been put together.Barry, do you know what sections they are concerned about? IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-23-2009 06:01 PM
Ralph,I'm with you, but I'm guessing the ad goes out to people here and this is the fastest way to set them straight if they are unsure of what the status of the PCSOT Model Policy is right now. The APA BOD is scheduled to hold its next meeting March 31st, the day after the course starts. Donna, I still need to find the time to put together my thoughts for the committee, but time is precious right now, and it's going to be a long document.
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Lieguy
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posted 03-03-2009 04:48 PM
Hi,
I got notification yesterday from BMI that their March class will be cancelled due to the PCSOT material not being approved by the APA BOD.Chip IP: Logged |
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